Maybe you should try a different tact
instead of trying to pin him down on WT falsehoods hmm...i was going to say hit him with biblical inaccuracies but really whats the point?!?
What are you trying to accomplish in your discussion with this bloke?
just a recap.. i posted a thread yesterday about an exchange of e-mails with a well known and respected elder and c.o.
sibstitute in a spanish circuit somewhere in the u.s. the man is about 50, raised in the truth, belongs to a family where all men are at least elders.
he is proud to have forsaken his dream of becoming a doctor to serve jehovah.
Maybe you should try a different tact
instead of trying to pin him down on WT falsehoods hmm...i was going to say hit him with biblical inaccuracies but really whats the point?!?
What are you trying to accomplish in your discussion with this bloke?
the following are two emails (one mine, one from an elder) that are part of an exchange regarding the unfairness of shunning.
he is an elder and a substitute of the c.o.
he comes from a "highly decorated" family of jw's.
This blew him (the elder) out the water!
Millions of people have stopped attending religious services in many different denominations, because they have had a change of heart. But the fact that it happens does not prove their former faith to be wrong.
Like SD said this is true but he kinda confirmed that just because someone left the baptist religion to become a JW does not mean that the baptist are wrong?!?
DO these asshats even understand the BS they spew?!? The whole make-up of JW's so called preaching work is to convert!
He can put whatever freakin spin on it he wants WE ALL KNOW that a JW job when he knocks on a door is to place some rags and hopefully find a Bible study to convert!
Shit they arent out there just to clarify someones biblical understanding they are there TO BRING SOME FOOLS THINKING IN LINE WITH THEIRS!
image of ahmadinejad consoling chavezs mother angers iranian clericsapparently, showing compassion to a grieving mother is a sin in islam.
the image drew the immediate fury of tehran's religious conservatives.
no unrelated women can be touched unless she is drowning at sea or needs medical treatment," hojat al-islam hossein ibrahimi, a cleric at the society of militant clergy, said, according to iran's al-monitor.
WOW thats the pic they up in arms about?!?
SMDH!
op based on mr. freeze's topic - could attending the meetings/studying again sway any of you back to the org.
hearing the propaganda over and over again is pretty powerful i'm sure.
(i'm a non-jw, non-christian (no offense), stubborn as a bull and even i had moments of pause based on some of the doctrine (lasted 30 seconds) but i never had family/friends at stake or a background in this.
ok we had the silent lambs march years ago right there at head quarter over this issue, don't you think that caused a lot of gossip, and expose on a big abc network called 20/20, and many in europe, canada, all about how bad the governing body's policies are on children.. now we have out of court settlements with victims with a gag order, conti big case, and many more.
so i would think everyone at bethel knows about the governing body's mishandleling of these matters.. i'm sure this, a long with the big new light about the governing body alone make of the faithful slave are causing many a lot of irritation and so are seeing these guys now in a different light..
Yeah the title of this thread is a lil delusional.
I was at bethel from 94-96 and didn't even realize the red wings were in the stanley cup against NJ till after I left!
The way your schedule is and the work load they expect (both hall and factory) the last thing a bethelite is doing is thinking about some molestation case.
"well osts, satan, through adam challenged god's right to rule......so god had to let it play out to show that he really should be the one ruling mankind.
both the angels and humans needed to see this.
me - why couldn't god have allowed adam's children to remain perfect?
i think it's fitting for my very first post to be a thread on jw.net turning myself in to any lurking elders out there on a witch-hunt to cleanse the congregation so that god's choosen ones can "remain in god's love.
" so i'm sorry to all you awesome, truthful apostates on this site, but this thread is really intended for any lurking nazis -- i mean, the taliban -- ugh, i mean elders of the world's most "loving" cult religion.. i am an apostate.
here, i'll save you the trouble:.
Next on our service meeting an announcement by bro Frosty:
This announcement is to inform the Kapaa congregation that sister Elizabeth B...Has removed her head from the sand and no longer wants to be in our cult.
if this has already been discussed i apologize.
i'm only here sporadically anymore.
in a recent wt study a photo was featured in the magazine that showed a "brother" ignoring the "worldly" people around him, including one who appeared to represent the group "anonymous".. i have come to learn that nothing can be taken at surface value when it comes to the borg.
Why are there fans of Insane Clown Posse at the protest?!? OK now that the pic is bigger I can make out the guy fawkes mask.
so as you all know, i have fully faded...i'm completely out and have not told the elders or da myself...just faded 100%.... so i run into an active jw, different congregation, and as i walk past him i say, "hey so and so, how are you doing?
"....he looks down, doesnt dare look at me in the eyeball and keeps walking...then a split second later he turns around and says, hey man, aren't yuo disfellowshipped?....
i was like wtf?...lol, i said "not that i know of"...i asked him who told him such thing?...he wouldnt tell me who, but he had "heard"...so i just left it at that and told him if he wants to know then to contact my ex-elders.... my thing is, could the elders have df'ed me without me knowing it?...i have not been accused of their so called "apostasy", nor have i received a letter requesting info or to set up a meeting, nor a call...the coordinating elder (formally president/presiding overseer) still texts me all the time saying hi etc...no religious texts or anything like that).
There is no such thing as '100% fully faded.'
You may not have family and some friends bugging you but word gets around and in most JWs eyes (and thanks to a WT from last yr cant remember which) they view and treat those who do not REGULARLY ATTEND MEETINGS as DFd!
Its not something thats spelled out but its something properly conditioned Dubs know. Just like they KNOW not to attend a funneral in a church even tho its spose to be a personal decision.